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John and Jed take a deep dive into the origins and effects of prophecy in HOPKC. The dialogue centers around the practice of using prophecy to control and influence followers, often by giving vague or grandiose predictions. The hosts compare how prophecies failed in movements like the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and the William Branham movement, focusing on how the leaders revise or reinterpret prophecies after they don’t come true. They explore the psychological effect of holding onto these beliefs, even when evidence shows they are false, drawing parallels to the analogy of peeling an onion—each layer reveals more falsehoods, but many find it difficult to let go of the core belief.
Part of the conversation delves into personal experiences with failed prophecies, such as Pat Bickle’s unfulfilled healing prophecy, which was once used as a significant symbol of upcoming revival. They also discuss how fear and hope are key tools used by cult leaders to maintain control. The podcast moves toward a broader critique of prophecy-driven movements, suggesting that the destructive consequences far outweigh any perceived benefits, especially when it leads to emotional and psychological damage among believers.
00:00 Introduction
01:05 Prophecies in IHOP and Manipulation Tactics
04:00 Failed Prophecies: A Biblical Comparison to Fortune Telling
06:55 The Role of Prophecy in IHOP KC’s History
10:00 Indoctrination and Layers of Deception
14:05 The Influence of Cult Prophecies on Personal Faith
17:15 Reconstructing Faith After Leaving
19:05 Fear of Losing Faith as a Barrier to Deconstruction
22:00 The Role of Family and Community in Maintaining Belief
25:20 Betrayal and Isolation After Speaking Out
29:10 Reflecting on William Branham’s Failed Prophecies
33:30 Chiefs’ Super Bowl Prophecy and the Power of Hope
39:00 The Prophetic Strategy Behind Using Vague Promises
43:10 IHOP’s Similarities to the Branham Movement
46:20 Failed Healing Prophecies and Manipulation
50:10 Prophetic Patterns in IHOP: Rewriting History
54:05 The Illusion of Accuracy in Predictions
1:00:10 Terry Bennett’s Failed 2010 Prophecy
1:04:30 Biblical Definition of a True Prophet
1:07:05 Closing Remarks and Reflections on Prophetic Movements
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