In the early stages of the Covid-19 pandemic, some Muslims had argued that virus was created by God to warn and punish humanity for its sins. And this meant that fighting the pandemic was futile, and Muslims should rely on God to protect the righteous. Can there be a balance between precaution and a reliance on God? Melisa Idris and Sharaad Kuttan speak to Ustaz Dr Nurul Haq Shahrir, a consultant on religion for the United Nations in Malaysia.