Tony Robbins talks about interviewing Carl Icahn and picking the brain of the renowned investor advocate.
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Transcript: Well one of my favorites is Carl Icahn. Time Magazine called him the master of the universe on the cover of Time Magazine. And I’ll tell you when I first went to meet Carl most people know him as a pretty intense guy. I walked in that day with my video crews you guys have here and he says I want all these guys to leave. I said what? He said I don’t want a video crew. I said but you agreed to it this morning. He said I don’t care. I don’t want it. I said okay, well how about if my audio team comes in. And he said no audio team. I said well what am I supposed to do here? He goes bring a pen and paper. You’ve got ten minutes. And, you know, I scheduled my meetings for 45 minutes and to go deep they usually go three hours. But to his credit, you know, he’s had so many people attack him that he needs to know what you’re really about. When he saw I was sincerely about teaching what he knows to individual investors and really empowering them he became very passionate and he gave me almost three hours. He endorsed the book. He’s been extraordinary ever since and has actually become a friend.
So Carl is a teddy bear underneath and he really does care. But his results are unquestioned. As I said earlier how about a 1600 percent return if you’d invested with him over the last 13 years versus 75 percent for the S&P. As I said since 1968 a 30 percent compounded return if you’d been with him during that time, outstripping even Warren Buffet. But what’s interesting about him is he really believes that the challenge in stock and in business is that it’s an old boys club. That’s his view. And that what happens is the people that get elected are the people the most liked and the board does what’s best for the board. And that, you know, there’s so much that isn’t really looking out for the individual investor so that’s what made him an activist and he’s very intense and he goes in and he buys enough stock to have an impact and shakes their world. Lets them know that they’re going to be fired unless, you know, they make some significant changes. And the results of what he’s produced though are incredible. A lot of people say he’s just got in and out so that’s why I put in the book an actual track record. You see he stays with most of these investments for a very long time. There’s very few that he goes in and out. In fact a Harvard law professor, I put the study in the book shows that of over 2,000 activist interventions that have been done the vast majority of them have made the company much more profitable for almost a decade afterwards, not just for a few months or a few years.
Because what happens is management is what maximizes resources in a company. And when management gets unhungry or comfortable or maybe supporting a certain strategy or approach you’re not going to get the most out of it just like the rest of us as human beings. And Carl is one of those guys that comes and shakes that stuff up. And when he comes you know things are going. The day that I go into see him he just recently had done a Tweet saying that Apple was undervalued. And within two hours of that Tweet Apple stock went up 17 billion with a B, billion dollars in value by one Tweet. And people said oh, he did that to manipulate the market. He didn’t manipulate the market. He stayed in. He’s still in. He kept on buying more and more of the stock even as the price went up because he thought the company’s really worth it. And in Apple’s case he was pushing them to try and release a certain amount of money to shareholders in the form of dividends. I think he asked for 150 billion. And I said well did you really think you were going to get that? He said no, but I figured if I pushed 150 billion maybe I’d get 70, 80 or 90 and I think he got 90 billion if I remember the right numbers. The numbers are so huge it’s mind boggling. [TRANSCRIPT TRUNCATED]
Directed/Produced by Jonathan Fowler, Elizabeth Rodd, and Dillon Fitton
